188 points by n1b0m 11 hours ago | 15 comments
mahkeiro 4 hours ago
Carmat a French company has a total heart product for a while in Europe. In February they celebrated the 100 implants, with the longest one lasting 25 month. https://www.carmatsa.com/en/our_product/

However this is really difficult and the company is struggling financially as the market is rather limited.

johnnyanmac 4 hours ago
Really sucks a company doing something important like this is struggling. Such kind of company shouldn't need to worry about profits because we know how profit-minded medical breakthroughs look like.
stavros 1 hour ago
Health economics is a fairly large field, and there are tradeoffs everywhere. Generally, you try to maximise quality-adjusted life years gained, which for rare diseases doesn't tend to win.

If you can give one person ten good years for a million in a rare disease, you can give ten people twenty good years in a less rare disease, so those tend to get more funding.

Traubenfuchs 4 hours ago
Easy to say, but who SHOULD pay for this, lenmeldy or zolgensma?

(Compared to those treatments an artificial heart is cheap.)

Those easily cost more than the average human earns in their life.

Should the public be financially burdened by outrageously expensive research and treatments for rare diseases?

When do we say, it‘s enough, your condition is not compatible with life, enjoy some palliative treatment?

david-gpu 3 hours ago
> Should the public be financially burdened by outrageously expensive research and treatments for rare diseases?

Yes, precisely because they are rare and thus market forces will fail to provide a treatment.

> When do we say, it‘s enough, your condition is not compatible with life, enjoy some palliative treatment?

That will vary case by case, depending on how much the public votes in favor of socialized care vs the suffering of these people.

WithinReason 2 hours ago
I think the point raised by GP is about distribution of finite resources for maximum benefit. E.g. do we spend a large amount of money to extend someone's life by 2 years if we could spend the same money to save 10 lives elsewhere?
johnnyanmac 26 minutes ago
1. I think we underestimate our scarcity nowadays, since much of it is completely manufactured by rich powers who want to keep an obedient working class. We are definitely approaching a point of achieving post scarcity society. No one should have to starve nor fear for their health in 90% of cases.

2. In such a case, we'd add help chip in for it. There aren't thousands of new people every day needing artificial hearts. There is certainly enough commerce in any first world country to fund such cases.

maratc 26 minutes ago
> if we could spend the same money to save 10 lives elsewhere?

... if we could spend the same money to extend 10 lives by n years elsewhere.

spookie 3 hours ago
It's research like this that throughout the ages has led our life expectancy to grow as much as it has. We are just tackling more and more niche areas because we have solved a lot of the easy stuff.

It's like computers, but more life threatening :)

wiseowise 3 hours ago
> When do we say, it‘s enough, your condition is not compatible with life, enjoy some palliative treatment?

When it doesn’t affect you, obviously. Maybe if some billionaire had 5 less jets, we could push medicine a little bit further and save more lives for the benefit of humanity.

geraneum 3 hours ago
sometimes I read these sentiments in 2025, and read about “Shanidar 1” who lived ~50k years ago and just feel… sad.
ljf 2 hours ago
Id never heard of them - for others they were a Neanderthal whose remains show signs of healing and treatment for various ailments, that could have killed them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanidar_Cave

mschuster91 4 hours ago
> Those easily cost more than the average human earns in their life.

For this, we have insurance - to distribute the chance of utterly bad luck across all in society.

jajko 3 hours ago
Yes, its called a developed society and compassion for a fellow less fortunate man. Christianity for example has this at its absolute core, as do all other religions. But since I saw first hand how US population in general sees and treats homeless and those with mental issues, I dont think the message gets through.

Whole (not only) western world can make such system work for a fraction of US healthcare costs, why shouldnt US?

Maybe in 5 years after some health issue or accident you will end up on sone lifelong treatment, then you may reconsider how others will help you survive.

viraptor 1 hour ago
> Christianity for example has this at its absolute core,

Some Christian groups have it at the core. There's lots of those that will be happy to see others suffer.

rossant 3 hours ago
> An Australian man with heart failure has become the first person in the world to walk out of a hospital with a total artificial heart implant.

So... Why don't they mention Carmat?

supermatt 2 hours ago
I guess it’s to do with what is considered “artificial”? Carmat uses bovine pericardium to line blood contacting surfaces.
aithrowawaycomm 2 hours ago
This was very unclear in the article - typically artificial hearts have external pumps and motors, the internal component is basically a fancy valve to manage flow/oxygenation correctly. But this one has an internal pump and motor, like a real heart, but with an external battery pack. (The battery currently only lasts four hours...I am too absent-minded to be trusted with this!)

This article was a bit more clear: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-12/sydney-hospital-artif...

viraptor 1 hour ago
Only four hours? That sounds problematic for sleep...
mog_dev 1 hour ago
You can probably use an external power supply when you are not moving
iancmceachern 6 hours ago
I've worked in this industry (LVADS and artificial hearts) and met Dr. Timms personally several times.

He and his team have been working on this for decades. It's real, and good stuff.

Congratulations to the whole team, this is the culmination of decades of effort from thousands of people.

Well done

bufferoverflow 5 hours ago
2016: Successful heart transplant after 1374 days living with a total artificial heart

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26819291/

alpaca128 1 hour ago
Yeah, I find that confusing too. Recently I heard in a YT video with a cardiologist (Medlife Crisis) that some people in the US lived more than 4 years with an artificial heart.

The article calls it the "world’s first implantable rotary blood pump that can act as a complete replacement for a human heart", so maybe there's a difference but the article is written as if this was the first artificial heart ever which it clearly isn't.

xpl 8 hours ago
How does the device regulate the heartbeat speed? I mean, how does it know that it needs to pump blood faster or slower?
yazaddaruvala 7 hours ago
Blood oxygen sensors seem relatively cheap and low power.

I wonder if they could use that as the feedback mechanism.

Ideally if the sensors are small, low power, and cheap enough CO2 and lactic acid levels would also be good to check on to increase bloodflow.

slicktux 7 hours ago
That’s a good question! As a layman I would assume there’s no way to read/detect the hormones that would demand acceleration of the heartbeat? So one has to take it easy for the rest of their life? Or maybe there’s a way to manipulate it manually?
3eb7988a1663 7 hours ago
If the heart is no longer the weak link, can you permanently increase level of blood flow to something akin to moderate exertion? Presumably you are now limited by what the veins can handle, but maybe they have more flexible performance characteristics?
xphos 6 hours ago
Layman, but I imagine if your blood is flowing to fast doesn't help much the lungs have certain diffusion rates, the waste products wouldn't be increased because your not doing as much work. There is probably an optimal point where anymore just doesn't really matter.

I beat there is some psychological factors to thought you don't have a beat or pulse that is probably unsettling

qingcharles 4 hours ago
IIRC this problem affects heart transplants as the nerve that controls the speed of the heart is severed during the operation.
xpl 2 hours ago
Can't implants read from that nerve? Or the issue is that the "protocol" is hard to reverse?
briansm 2 hours ago
I would assume the kind of people who need a replacement heart are already on beta-blocker drugs, which clamp the peak heart-rate down significantly, so their body would already be used to a very limited heart-rate range.
iancmceachern 6 hours ago
It doesn't, neither do lvads
monero-xmr 7 hours ago
My friend had this pump pack attached to him (the same thing Dick Cheney had) and it was constant flow. His heart technically worked but it was so weak you could barely detect it. The pump was just constant circulation, no pumping.
aitchnyu 5 hours ago
Hmm, do body processes depend on the fact that blood flows in pulses, and an optimal heart must be pulsed?
Aunche 5 hours ago
It used to be assumed to be the case because the heartbeat is so closely associated with life. This is why the first artificial hearts replicated pulses, despite requiring much more complexity. It turns out that your body can function more or less fine with continuous blood flow.
fuzzfactor 4 hours ago
Yes, with this device, there is no pulse.
RheingoldRiver 3 hours ago
Do they do something unrelated to the function of pumping blood, just to make the patient feel a heartbeat for comfort?
Nextgrid 4 hours ago
Accelerometers to measure physical activity?
epicureanideal 7 hours ago
Let's hope this improves rapidly every year and can become a convenient, inexpensive temporary replacement in a few decades.

I wonder what the progress curve will look like.

This time it's 100 days, next year will it be 110 or 200? I wonder what the shape of the curve is?

energy123 6 hours ago
It's longer than 100 days already in their preclinical testing but they took it out because the patient found a heart transplant.

They say one upcoming improvement is wireless power via skin, somehow. At the moment the rechargeable battery lasts for five hours.

Gigachad 6 hours ago
Sounds kinda scary. So if the battery goes flat or gets disconnected you just immediately die?
Maxion 4 hours ago
These devices have double batteries, external power, and will beep like crazy already quite a while before it runs flat.
ljf 2 hours ago
I can’t find the link now, but that chap who died a couple of years ago after living most of his life in an iron lung, had a similar story of being transported home on the back of a flatbed truck with a generator running, if the power went out he suffocated. His mother slept by his bed and in the case of a power cut had to manually help him breathe until the power returned.

An amazing man and amazing he made it so far in life.

ljf 8 minutes ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Alexander_(polio_survivor...

Quote: He spent eighteen months in the hospital. At discharge, his parents rented a portable generator and a truck to bring him and his iron lung home. Beginning in 1954, with help from the March of Dimes and a physical therapist named Mrs. Sullivan, Alexander taught himself glossopharyngeal breathing, which allowed him to leave the iron lung for gradually increasing periods of time.

yonatan8070 5 hours ago
I mean, if this didn't exist you'd just immediately die a lot sooner. So I think it's a fair trade-off.
anshumankmr 5 hours ago
closest thing to the arc reactor in the iron man movie...
jart 7 hours ago
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appleorchard46 6 hours ago
Source? This seems hard to believe and google isn't pulling anything like it up.
teraflop 6 hours ago
It's not true at all. A cardioplegia solution is injected into the heart itself to arrest the heartbeat, and to protect it from tissue damage while awaiting transplantation. But this is done after the donor's chest has already been surgically opened, and has nothing at all to do with "paralyzing" them or preventing them from struggling. If they were going to struggle, surely they would do so when the operation started! But no such paralysis is needed, of course, because the donor has already been determined to be brain-dead by that point.

As an interesting note, even the basic premise of the preceding comment is not accurate. A small but increasing number of heart transplants are performed as DCD operations, which means the donor's heart stops naturally on its own before being removed: https://www.acc.org/Latest-in-Cardiology/Articles/2022/11/21...

armenarmen 5 hours ago
sorry, so the heart is still beating in the dead donor? The doctors harvesting the heart stops the donors heart from beating? I have to be missing something here. You cannot be saying that doctors stop the donors heart from beating (kill them) before taking the heart.
qingcharles 4 hours ago
As poster above you states, they are clinically dead at the point the heart is removed. Their brain has stopped functioning. There is no coming back. They are a meat popsicle.
MadnessASAP 4 hours ago
A stopped heart doesn't necessarily mean a person's dead, a beating heart doesn't mean their alive.
ArnoVW 3 hours ago
If you’re a heart donor, you have been diagnosed as “brain dead”. This means that even though your heart is still beating and you’re drawing breath, your ECG is a flatline, and there is no hope of recovery (with our current medical technology)

That means that your grieving next of kin have decided (for you, since you no longer have conscious thoughts) that your last act on this planet will be an act of kindness. You will give your heart, lungs, eyes, etc to someone that can still make use of them. The last thing you will do, is saving the life of someone.

So yes, they (directly or indirectly) stop the heart.

And that is a good thing.

mathieuh 5 hours ago
Sounds like an offshoot of one of those Death Panel conspiracy theories
wileydragonfly 8 hours ago
A very interesting tour is the small museums at Baylor College of Medicine and Texas Heart Institute. They were literally making replacement parts on a sewing machine 60 years ago. (On the other hand, they let one of those surgeons practice too far long and he left a sponge in my grandfather during an angioplasty. He was ultimately reopened and cleaned out and died of something else a few years later)
josu 8 hours ago
I wasn't expecting that steampunk look.
keyle 6 hours ago
I know it's crazy. Looks like a car part.
_carbyau_ 6 hours ago
It is kinda cool looking. But if people can see it in your chest you are doing it wrong.
elihu 6 hours ago
My guess is that they put it in some kind of rubbery enclosure before installing it, but who knows? Maybe it's not actually a problem to have hard edges.
abdusco 2 hours ago
CNC'ed out of a block of titanium
maxglute 1 hour ago
It looks... very crude.
Willingham 8 hours ago
Looks like the device is powered by a battery carried by the patient that is connected through what is called a ‘driveline’ basically a wire coming out of your belly connecting to the heart. Really amazing stuff here, especially considering failure of the heart is THE most common cause of death in human beings. One day getting an artificial heart at an old age may be as common as a teenager getting braces. https://www.monash.edu/news/articles/monash,-bivacor-led-con...
3eb7988a1663 7 hours ago
Just avoid getting into any bar brawls with Nausicaans.

(https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Tapestry_(episode) although, the point of the episode was, in hindsight, the fight was the correct move)

somenameforme 6 hours ago
Oh man, you gave me goosebumps just thinking about that episode. That is one of the best episodes [1] of any sci-fi, ever, IMO. That episode changed my entire life perspective.

Looking at the writer's Wiki [2], he was also behind some amazing DS9 episodes like House of Quark and Rules of engagement. Gah, what happened to sci-fi? Turns out he was even the head guy on For All Mankind. Nobel Prize effect, studio pressure, what is it?

[1] - https://ww1.goojara.to/eGJakb

[2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_D._Moore

blooalien 7 hours ago
Don't neglect your payments and fall afoul of the Repo-Men either. :P
bandrami 5 hours ago
I could have sworn there were artificial hearts in the 1980s, or at least news stories about them
yesco 4 hours ago
Probably this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AbioCor

They technically worked but they were expensive, painful, and basically just kept you alive on a bed. In essence they were like a more invasive version of the iron lung but required a team to maintain.

For this reason while you may have heard it used it various trials with "success" they were considered a failure in the end and rejected by the FDA. I've spoken to some people who worked on it and the feelings are pretty bittersweet.

Learning from this, Abiomed later brought a heart pump called the "Impella" to market which works to assist your heart instead of replace it. This device is cool for different reasons and can actually save peoples lives instead of merely prolong them a few years.

The new artificial heart in the OP is more sophisticated than the AbioCor, the science keeps improving.

interludead 4 hours ago
The Jarvik-7 artificial heart was first implanted in a human patient in 1982. But those early designs were bulky, required external power sources, and were more of a temporary measure
jumperabg 5 hours ago
How much power does the heart need to pump the liquid and what is it's life expectancy? Any technical specifications for a product that can work in the human body?
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symlinkk 6 hours ago
Crazy how slow medicine progresses compared to technology.
grishka 5 hours ago
Biology, and by extension medicine, only started to look like engineering in the last ~50 years because it requires serious advancements from many other fields of science. As in, you can't discover cells if you haven't invented a microscope yet. It's literally reverse engineering alien technology, in the sense that it's something that wasn't created by humans. And you can't really reverse engineer something when you don't have any tools to meaningfully interact with it and pick it apart.
danparsonson 5 hours ago
I disagree - if you move fast and break things then people die. The human body is not a single well-understood system; everyone is different in subtle ways, which incidentally is why personalised medicine is becoming a thing.
aithrowawaycomm 2 hours ago
How do you even compare those two things? And how do you separate technology from medicine? This statement seems like pure nonsense, hinging on a slippery definition of "technology" that in some contexts means "consumer gizmos," other contexts means "computers," and in yet other contexts means "Civilization tech tree."
interludead 4 hours ago
It definitely feels that way, especially compared to fields like computing where progress is exponential. But with medicine, the stakes are so much higher... Every breakthrough has to go through years of testing, trials, and regulatory hurdles to make sure it's actually safe and effective
xvector 6 hours ago
I hope it dramatically speeds up as AI improves. ASI is likely only scalable route to solving the medical issues that plague humanity.
Gigachad 6 hours ago
I imagine the slow link is that you have to actually test stuff in the real world, on people. Who in this case could very easily die if it doesn’t work. Isn’t like programming where you can just keep whacking it until it works.
worthless-trash 5 hours ago
Its even worse than you think, there are complex and numerous requirement hoops you need to jump through for medical software and hardware. It is not easy.
im3w1l 4 hours ago
The question I have is why they they die if it doesn't work. Imagine how much faster we could progress if people didn't when an experiment failed. But how could we even accomplish such a thing? Telemetrics to catch issues early, and redundancy to hold the patient over until the issue can be found and corrected?

In this case, two separate mechanical hearts built on different principles hoping they would have different failure modes? Would it even be possible to hook that up correctly? Just brainstorming.

alexey-salmin 4 hours ago
Wait I thought that was blockchain
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mock-possum 4 hours ago
Only to die at the stroke of midnight on the 101st day
Miraltar 2 hours ago
Or get it replaced by a donor heart ? Please read at least the subtitle before commenting
interludead 4 hours ago
This is an incredible milestone! And not just for the patient, but for the future of heart failure treatment. The fact that someone was able to walk out of the hospital and live with a fully artificial heart for over 100 days is mind-blowing. Still a long way to go before these could replace transplants entirely, but the progress is undeniable
im3w1l 5 hours ago
> The patient, who declined to be identified, was discharged from the hospital with the implant in February. A donor heart became available to be transplanted in March.

This doesn't add up to 100 days.

Maxion 4 hours ago
Hospital discharge != implant
im3w1l 4 hours ago
OH that makes a lot of sense thanks for explaining.